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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6452</link>
		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Euph0ria, great suggestion. I downloaded XnView and I&#039;m having a look at it. I like what I&#039;ve seen so far and will continue to try it. Thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Euph0ria, great suggestion. I downloaded XnView and I&#8217;m having a look at it. I like what I&#8217;ve seen so far and will continue to try it. Thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Euph0ria</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>Euph0ria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, I forgot to leave a link.
http://www.xnview.com/
It is available for Win/Mac/Linux as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I forgot to leave a link.<br />
<a href="http://www.xnview.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xnview.com/</a><br />
It is available for Win/Mac/Linux as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Euph0ria</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-6441</link>
		<dc:creator>Euph0ria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any camera that is worth anything has an orientation sensor that detects where the &quot;top-left&quot; of the image should be and stores this information in the metadata.  Then it&#039;s the job of the image viewer/editor to correctly make use of the meta data to display the image at it&#039;s correct orientation.  Alternatively you can use various free programs to perform lossless image rotations (jpeg, tiff, png, hdr, exf, etc..) on your  photos, including the thumbnail embedded in the metadata.  I would suggest to you, that a solution to doing a hard, lossless reorientation of your image collection would be to use XnView.  It is totally free for non-commercial use and is a must-have for anyone who works with images of any kind.  I will allow you to do perform a batch, lossless image rotation on all your images based on the orientation metadata, or if the images are lacking the metatdata, you can tag all image that are of a certain orientation and batch lossless-rotate them in the correct orientation.   There are other programs that will also do lossless rotation but some do not address or update the metadata which will obviously cause some problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any camera that is worth anything has an orientation sensor that detects where the &#8220;top-left&#8221; of the image should be and stores this information in the metadata.  Then it&#8217;s the job of the image viewer/editor to correctly make use of the meta data to display the image at it&#8217;s correct orientation.  Alternatively you can use various free programs to perform lossless image rotations (jpeg, tiff, png, hdr, exf, etc..) on your  photos, including the thumbnail embedded in the metadata.  I would suggest to you, that a solution to doing a hard, lossless reorientation of your image collection would be to use XnView.  It is totally free for non-commercial use and is a must-have for anyone who works with images of any kind.  I will allow you to do perform a batch, lossless image rotation on all your images based on the orientation metadata, or if the images are lacking the metatdata, you can tag all image that are of a certain orientation and batch lossless-rotate them in the correct orientation.   There are other programs that will also do lossless rotation but some do not address or update the metadata which will obviously cause some problems.</p>
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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1294</link>
		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks dlamblin and Lars for your comments and tips.

@Lars: It would be nice to have a similar workaround on a Mac, since I do not use windows as my primary computing environment anymore. If I find anything I&#039;ll post it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks dlamblin and Lars for your comments and tips.</p>
<p>@Lars: It would be nice to have a similar workaround on a Mac, since I do not use windows as my primary computing environment anymore. If I find anything I&#8217;ll post it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1277</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip dlamblin!

With jpeglosslessrotator installed (on Windows) the work-around is quite easy
(perhaps my translation from swedish commands isn´t 100%):

When you in Picasa find a photo that needs to be (lossless) rotated:
Right-Click it - Find on disk (or use Ctrl+Enter)
When the folder/photo has opened in Explorer:
Right-Click it (you can first select as many  photos as you want to rotate)
Select Rotate clockwise or counter clockwise (the command that jpeglosslessrotator installed in Windows right-click menu).
Close the window and go back to Picasa that is automatically updated and showing the photo(s) as you rotated them.

I think this work around works quite well but of course it would be even better if it was integrated in Picasa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip dlamblin!</p>
<p>With jpeglosslessrotator installed (on Windows) the work-around is quite easy<br />
(perhaps my translation from swedish commands isn´t 100%):</p>
<p>When you in Picasa find a photo that needs to be (lossless) rotated:<br />
Right-Click it &#8211; Find on disk (or use Ctrl+Enter)<br />
When the folder/photo has opened in Explorer:<br />
Right-Click it (you can first select as many  photos as you want to rotate)<br />
Select Rotate clockwise or counter clockwise (the command that jpeglosslessrotator installed in Windows right-click menu).<br />
Close the window and go back to Picasa that is automatically updated and showing the photo(s) as you rotated them.</p>
<p>I think this work around works quite well but of course it would be even better if it was integrated in Picasa.</p>
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		<title>By: dlamblin</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>dlamblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rotating a file on disk degrades the quality. Picasa is trying to do the right thing. Of course, if Picasa implemented a lossless JPEG rotation method as an option, most everyone would be happy.

I know you&#039;re on a Mac, but look at this software and try to find an equivalent:
http://annystudio.com/software/jpeglosslessrotator/

Note: Even &quot;lossless&quot; JPEG rotation can degrade quality at the edges. See this explanation:
http://www.betterjpeg.com/lossless-rotation.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rotating a file on disk degrades the quality. Picasa is trying to do the right thing. Of course, if Picasa implemented a lossless JPEG rotation method as an option, most everyone would be happy.</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re on a Mac, but look at this software and try to find an equivalent:<br />
<a href="http://annystudio.com/software/jpeglosslessrotator/" rel="nofollow">http://annystudio.com/software/jpeglosslessrotator/</a></p>
<p>Note: Even &#8220;lossless&#8221; JPEG rotation can degrade quality at the edges. See this explanation:<br />
<a href="http://www.betterjpeg.com/lossless-rotation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.betterjpeg.com/lossless-rotation.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my Canon PowerShot A480 does not add EXIF rotation tags to my pictures. Fortunately, I found out that I can rotate the pictures in the camera, manually, before I download them to Picasa, so I do not have to use the picasa rotate feature anymore.

I would love to find a Picasa replacement, but except for these issues with rotating, Picasa is the best that I have found. So I live with the compromise of rotating before with another tool (either my camera or with Adobe Bridge) and then import to Picasa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my Canon PowerShot A480 does not add EXIF rotation tags to my pictures. Fortunately, I found out that I can rotate the pictures in the camera, manually, before I download them to Picasa, so I do not have to use the picasa rotate feature anymore.</p>
<p>I would love to find a Picasa replacement, but except for these issues with rotating, Picasa is the best that I have found. So I live with the compromise of rotating before with another tool (either my camera or with Adobe Bridge) and then import to Picasa.</p>
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		<title>By: Jörg Hartmann</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Jörg Hartmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-distructive editing is the way to go, but Picasa misses the two obviously appropriate ways to do non-distructive rotation:
1) adding EXIF rotation tags
2) lossless JPEG rotation (transformation)

Every cam or mobile phone does 1), and all common free image organizars _exept_ Picasa do 2), some do both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-distructive editing is the way to go, but Picasa misses the two obviously appropriate ways to do non-distructive rotation:<br />
1) adding EXIF rotation tags<br />
2) lossless JPEG rotation (transformation)</p>
<p>Every cam or mobile phone does 1), and all common free image organizars _exept_ Picasa do 2), some do both.</p>
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		<title>By: ernesto</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>ernesto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do know about the auto-rotation feature, but my camera is brand new (although not a professional on) and it does not have the auto-rotation feature. Its a Canon Powershot A480, and I have inspected the picture&#039;s metadata (EXIF info) for the rotation info, but it is not there. Maybe you mean every professional camera since 5 years ago, but amateur cameras, at least mine, does not have this.

I start to sense that this sacred preservation of the original is something for pro photographers, but for average amateur pictures like mine it&#039;s not that important. Picasa should at least have the option and warn you about it.

BTW, I have read that there is a way to rotate a JPG picture without any lost of quality at all, but the picture&#039;s size must be a multiple of 16 o 8 or something like that. Most standard pictures resolutions today comply with this, so I don&#039;t see why not making these applications use that algorithm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know about the auto-rotation feature, but my camera is brand new (although not a professional on) and it does not have the auto-rotation feature. Its a Canon Powershot A480, and I have inspected the picture&#8217;s metadata (EXIF info) for the rotation info, but it is not there. Maybe you mean every professional camera since 5 years ago, but amateur cameras, at least mine, does not have this.</p>
<p>I start to sense that this sacred preservation of the original is something for pro photographers, but for average amateur pictures like mine it&#8217;s not that important. Picasa should at least have the option and warn you about it.</p>
<p>BTW, I have read that there is a way to rotate a JPG picture without any lost of quality at all, but the picture&#8217;s size must be a multiple of 16 o 8 or something like that. Most standard pictures resolutions today comply with this, so I don&#8217;t see why not making these applications use that algorithm.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gnapse.com/blog/2009/10/22/picasa-rotate-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, believe it or not, Picasa is doing it correctly. Image cataloging programs ought to treat your images as negatives--that is to say: inviolate. Lightroom already does this, and Photoshop &amp; Bridge participate in a complex post-processing workflow to provide the same non-destructive capability. This is true of JPEGs, and obviously true of RAW files; RAW is considered to be a read-only format from which some other format must be rendered (JPEG, GIF, etc)--if you&#039;ve ever wondered why you can&#039;t edit and save back to RAW format in any image editing program, that&#039;s why.

The problem here is not with Picasa, actually--it&#039;s with your camera. Just about every digital camera since 5 years ago has included an auto-rotation feature that uses sensors in the camera at the time the shutter is released to determine orientation--that should be stored in the RAW file and correctly reflected automatically. On occasion if you&#039;re moving the camera during the exposure or shooting straight up or down it might get it wrong, in which case you need to deal with it manually...but unless you specialize in those kind of shooting techniques, shouldn&#039;t be a problem 99% of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, believe it or not, Picasa is doing it correctly. Image cataloging programs ought to treat your images as negatives&#8211;that is to say: inviolate. Lightroom already does this, and Photoshop &amp; Bridge participate in a complex post-processing workflow to provide the same non-destructive capability. This is true of JPEGs, and obviously true of RAW files; RAW is considered to be a read-only format from which some other format must be rendered (JPEG, GIF, etc)&#8211;if you&#8217;ve ever wondered why you can&#8217;t edit and save back to RAW format in any image editing program, that&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>The problem here is not with Picasa, actually&#8211;it&#8217;s with your camera. Just about every digital camera since 5 years ago has included an auto-rotation feature that uses sensors in the camera at the time the shutter is released to determine orientation&#8211;that should be stored in the RAW file and correctly reflected automatically. On occasion if you&#8217;re moving the camera during the exposure or shooting straight up or down it might get it wrong, in which case you need to deal with it manually&#8230;but unless you specialize in those kind of shooting techniques, shouldn&#8217;t be a problem 99% of the time.</p>
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